The 2 sec rule and riders who surge.

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As a FNG on the SR this year I and a friend of mine (also a FNG) found the 2 sec rule in formation as very unsafe and dangerous. In addition, riders that pulled next to you even when in a stagered platoon is not only a major distraction but nerve racking. I was told (name with held) that for a FNG it is a white nuckel experience. My opinion, all of the above should be changed. I was in platoon 8 and my friend in platoon 4 and we both had the same issue. In my case, I hit the trike in front of me due to a sudden stop event, thank GOD another trike as was not next to me. I told one of the platoon official that I did not take this mission to wreck my trike or anyone other trike. I do not think you can ever eliminate the rubber band effect with so many bikes by a signal to "close it up" only to be followed by a sudden stop. This is what happened to me which caused damage to my trike. As it stands now my friend is a hell no for next year or any year. As for me, I'm leaning in that direction. I wonder how many FNG'S don't return for similair reasons.

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Nickel Deuce Members Profile Find Members Posts Senior Member Joined: Nov-06-2011 Location: Gales Creek, OR Status: Offline Points: 102	Post Options Post Reply Quote Nickel Deuce Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: The 2 sec rule and riders who surge. Posted: Jun-09-2012 at 3:59pm
	As a FNG on the SR this year I and a friend of mine (also a FNG) found the 2 sec rule in formation as very unsafe and dangerous. In addition, riders that pulled next to you even when in a stagered platoon is not only a major distraction but nerve racking. I was told (name with held) that for a FNG it is a white nuckel experience. My opinion, all of the above should be changed. I was in platoon 8 and my friend in platoon 4 and we both had the same issue. In my case, I hit the trike in front of me due to a sudden stop event, thank GOD another trike as was not next to me. I told one of the platoon official that I did not take this mission to wreck my trike or anyone other trike. I do not think you can ever eliminate the rubber band effect with so many bikes by a signal to "close it up" only to be followed by a sudden stop. This is what happened to me which caused damage to my trike. As it stands now my friend is a hell no for next year or any year. As for me, I'm leaning in that direction. I wonder how many FNG'S don't return for similair reasons.
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Curly Members Profile Find Members Posts Senior Member Joined: Oct-15-2009 Location: Colorado Status: Offline Points: 153	Post Options Post Reply Quote Curly Report Post Thanks(2) Quote Reply Posted: Jun-09-2012 at 4:40pm
	Unfortunatly this event is not for everyone. Sorry you had less then a great ride with us. The 2 second rule is not just the RFTW thing. It is also what the Motorcycle Safety Ffoundationi recommends to all riders in group situations. On the RFTW you need to be far more vigilant then other rides and understand that, to call attention to our mission, we must do things that make riders uncomfortable. We have ridden this way for 24 years and if you look at our safety record it is pretty damn good. There has never been a fatality on the run and this years accident on the CR was the first of its kind in the RFTW history. And this accident was totally the fault of the riders involved. Not the way the RFTW rides. Most accidents on motorcycles are caused by the rider not paying attention to what they need to do. And on the RFTW it is far more important then anywhere else. We see a lot of riders with their feet out on the highway pegs listening to music and just having a gay old time. The fact is that we are on a mission and if I had my druthers I would not ride this event either. I do not like group riding and do not trust very many other riders with my and my wifes safety. But until our mission is accomplished I will ride with my brothers and sisters any way we need to get it done. I have done the run 4 times and will return for my 5th as long as I am able. And as many more as I will be able to do. It is about the mission, not about you or me.
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Justpics Members Profile Find Members Posts Groupie Joined: Jul-30-2012 Location: Pennsboro, WV Status: Offline Points: 61	Post Options Post Reply Quote Justpics Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Jul-30-2012 at 9:45pm
	I too found the closeness of the riders frustrating, but also found (according to my GF who rode 2 up) that my group riding skills improved vastly. I also much prefer small groups, but am considering of going all the way next year. yes I will have to be on my toes, but I expect to have a safe ride also. Garry ("Doc")

Peewee Members Profile Find Members Posts Newbie Joined: Oct-30-2011 Status: Offline Points: 38	Post Options Post Reply Quote Peewee Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: Apr-26-2013 at 8:26pm
	http://msf-usa.org/downloads/Group_Ride.pdf Not that this will change anything. Just an FYI