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    Posted: Apr-10-2012 at 12:03pm
Most of the posts on this forum fall into 3 major categories. Number one is The Mission, the gut-based reason the ride exists, remembering the missing and the fallen, healing for the wounded, the expression of deepest gratitude for those who served and are serving.

Another is the friendly banter among friends old and new, joined by our many unique connections to The Mission and each other.

Then there is the ride itself.  Several hundred riders of varied experience trying to cross 3500 miles of landscape without loss or injury.  Not to discount the difficult emotional aspects of the Mission, this is the hardest and most dangerous part.

For what it’s worth, my workload in the shop is fairly light today, so I would like to offer these thoughts and observations on keeping the ride safe and enjoyable.  On a ride like this incidents can happen, some here can tell the stories.  Because of the superb instruction and training by the road guards, most of the "stuff" is just people getting adjusted to riding together over a lot of time and miles.  Just one avoidable incident is too many, so we need to think safety issues all the way through- keeping this ride the joy it is supposed to be.

The Road Guards are phenomenal.  They will bring so much good information and personal help both in the daily rider meetings and along the way.  Every individual is important and will get the help they need.  Last year, the worst incidents were people not in the main pack, not briefed on how the ride works.  One event was when 2 riders NOT YET REGISTERED roared down a ramp to join in and lost control, forcing riders in the platoon coming up behind them into emergency braking and avoidance maneuvers to stay upright.  Unregistered riders may not just pop in to the platoons, and the road guards will be watching for that.  But be aware- these things can happen without much warning.

Cars and trucks will need to cross through our formation to use ramps, so use judgement in letting them through.  Keeping our ranks tight will keep them from just floating along in the pack, but that is one of the main reason we are in platoons.  Our footprint can be several miles long and we are under the speed limit, so be aware of on-ramps and exits.

Our use of on-ramps can be especially dangerous, only because riders will see a gap and crank it on to “catch up” as they get up on the freeway.  Slowly, gently accelerate- the group will not leave you to go hide behind some trees around a curve ahead.  The Route Coordinator keeps the speed slow and steady, with 5mph speed increases as everybody gets onto the slab.  Once the RG’s have everyone up, the speed will increase to just under the posted limit.  But it takes a while.

The RG’s then need to move to the front of the pack for their next deployment.  They….go fast, watch out and don’t move out of your position.

My personal riding style is that I keep one eye on the bike I’m following, one eye on the bike four riders ahead, one eye on the rider next to me, and one eye on my mirror.  And a patch on the other eye…
Seriously, I work at riding as steadily as humanly possible, aware that this helps those following me keep steady.  Just a little bit of running up and back on the rider in front of me will expand rubber-banding problems all the way back to the last riders, increasing their risks greatly.  Move up sloooowly, back off sloooowly.  This keeps you from hitting brakes and transmitting panic.  Watch that guy 4 riders up to see what he’s doing.  By the time his actions and the other rider’s responses get to you, you will be ready.

Sugar.  Dangerous stuff!  The riding legs are about 2 hours each.  If you load up on sugar either at breakfast or the gas stops, you will get an insulin rush to bring your blood sugar down.  And you will get sleepy!  Drink plenty of water and eat more protein, which will metabolize slower keeping your blood sugar steadier.  Nuts, beef jerky- cheese- rather than candy and sweetrolls.   Personally I avoid coffee for the whole trip, it is de-hydrating and if you need to pee and it’s gonna be another hour in the saddle… you get my drift.  In short, the riding will be much safer and more enjoyable if you are alert and comfortable.

I have said before and will say again- it will make you proud to see how good this formation looks by the time we have a few days of adjusting behind us.  By the time we get to Arlington we will be a world class gallery of motorcycle art!  You will especially notice this when you experience Rolling Thunder.  Ugh- the worst examples ever of undiscipline!  Be really careful there!

Let’s get everyone home safe in 2012!

Also, I’m sure others have tips and pet peeves that we all should know about…




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THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. SAFETY HAS TO BE PARAMONT ON THIS MISSION. ALL FOCUS MUST BE ON YOUR RIDING CAPABILITIES AT ALL TIMES. YOU MUST EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED. ONE MUST BE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND HIM AT ALL TIMES WHILE RIDING IN FORMATIONS , EXITING--HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS- ETC.. ONE CAN NOT BE PREOCCUPIED WITH CAMERAS N CELL PHONES--OR LOOSE GEAR FLAPPING ABOUT.  ONE ACCIDENT IS ONE TOO MANY. PRAYERS ALL ARRIVE IN DC SAFELY AND THIER RETURN HOME.. ----FOOT NOTE ON THE COFFEE-Big smile--ONE YEAR I WAS GETTING READY TO GET IN LINE AFTER THE MORN MEETING-AND AN OL FIREND SHOWED UP N OFFERED TO BUY ME ONE MORE COFFEE. MISTAKE. I USUALLY HAVE COFFEE WITH MY BREAKFAST N I EAT EARLY ENUFF THAT ALL IS WELL BY THE TIME WE ARE READY TO GO. BUT--THIS ONE MORE COFFEE-GOT ME  -MID MORN N I HAD THAT SUDDEN TERRIBLE URGE-SO I SIGNALED N PULLED OUT N DOWN A EXIT RAMP TO THE NEAREST GAS STATION. THEN IT WAS CATCH UP TO OUR NEXT REGUALR STOP.  NEVER-EVER AGAIN--LOL WILL HAVE JUST ONE MORE CUPWink

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Tom,

 
OUTSTANDING POST.
 
Lots of good advice in there.
 
 
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THE TWINGE IN MY BACK JUST REMINDED  ME TO DO MY STRETCHES. DID YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE TIGHT HAM STRINGS IT WILL CAUSE YOUR BACK TO HURT AND KNOTT UP WILL RIDING OR DRIVING? IT WILL ALSO AGRRAVATE Sciatica   -----STRETCHES ARE A GOOD WAY TO KEEP YOUR SELF FIT -ESPECIALLY ON A LONG RIDE OR A VERY LONG RIDE IF YOU ARE GOING ALL THE WAY.  GENTLE STRETCHES--OVER DOING WILL DO MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD. THIS WILL HELP WITH CHARLIE HORSE N CRAMPS IN YOUR BACK-HIPS N LEGS WHILE RIDING. GENTLE STRETCHES IN THE EVE AND EARLY MORN ARE BEST. YOU DONT WANT SPASIMS N CRAMPS AT SPEED IN THE PACK. Wink
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Really great post, the problem is that the people that need to read this won't log on and read. So bottom line is do just what you posted and be VERY CAREFUL
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As a SR Road Guard let me just say the following:
 
Most of the above information is appropriate.  However, please do not post anything on this website regarding "incidents", their number or any specifics.  That is not for public comsumption.  Some websites are targeted and monitored for just such legal information.  That goes for both registered as well as unregistered riders.    Also, while on the run do not post anything regarding "incidents".  Let the BoD do that. 
 
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Great post, Tom, and some really great advice, particularly regarding both sugar and caffeine. Learned my lessons with both of them a long time ago. Got my first taste of pack riding on a PGR mission with you a few weeks ago and saw first hand how quickly things can happen. And you are right about the RGs, too. They work very hard and move very fast. Wouldn't take much of a mistake to put one of those guys down hard. Lots of good advice from you and Shadow about hydration and stretching, too. One other thing to think about is rest. Getting a good nights sleep every night will help with staying awake and alert.
Unfortunately I'm afraid Jim is right, most of the folks who need to read this stuff won't see it. There will be several hundred bikes on the run and I only see maybe 40 or 50 regulars logged into the forum. Extra caution and care will be my watchwords for the trip. Hope to see you at the BBQ on Saturday and definitely in RC in May.
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Tom,
Good thoughts on keeping the Run safe. I agree; it is amazing how the formation starts to look after just a few days. World class sometimes
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Thanks for taking time to post actual useful information, well done.
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Tom, great post.

Couple of adds.  Re-enforce the observation about being careful if you need to leave formation.  Road Guards, Law Enforcement Officers (who may be escorting) or normal traffic will be passing -- very important to clear to the rear, signal your intentions, and execute the move safely.

Ref water, drink a lot -- each stop.  Helps reduce cramps.  If you have any medical considerations, let some of your fellow riders know.  Legs may be short but take concentration.  Diabetics, more than normal activity may impact blood sugar -- so having a few folks know your situation and heads up of what to look for if you're not feeling right is a good thing to do. 

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How many people wear camel packs?  On hot days I wear mine and my boyfriend was thinking he would get one for this ride.  I know it adds heat to the back but I fill mine with ice and it actually can feel cool on the back.
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I usually have a camelback under netting on my rear seat, not actually on my back. I have at times put a jacket over it to keep it cooler longer as well. Works great for the ride, usually ship it and a few other things home via UPS from DC, as the trip home is usually very slow and filled with stops.  
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Originally posted by LaiKhe67tc LaiKhe67tc wrote:

Most of the posts on this forum fall into 3 major categories. Number one is The Mission, the gut-based reason the ride exists, remembering the missing and the fallen, healing for the wounded, the expression of deepest gratitude for those who served and are serving.

Another is the friendly banter among friends old and new, joined by our many unique connections to The Mission and each other.

Then there is the ride itself.  Several hundred riders of varied experience trying to cross 3500 miles of landscape without loss or injury.  Not to discount the difficult emotional aspects of the Mission, this is the hardest and most dangerous part.

For what it’s worth, my workload in the shop is fairly light today, so I would like to offer these thoughts and observations on keeping the ride safe and enjoyable.  On a ride like this incidents can happen, some here can tell the stories.  Because of the superb instruction and training by the road guards, most of the "stuff" is just people getting adjusted to riding together over a lot of time and miles.  Just one avoidable incident is too many, so we need to think safety issues all the way through- keeping this ride the joy it is supposed to be.

The Road Guards are phenomenal.  They will bring so much good information and personal help both in the daily rider meetings and along the way.  Every individual is important and will get the help they need.  Last year, the worst incidents were people not in the main pack, not briefed on how the ride works.  One event was when 2 riders NOT YET REGISTERED roared down a ramp to join in and lost control, forcing riders in the platoon coming up behind them into emergency braking and avoidance maneuvers to stay upright.  Unregistered riders may not just pop in to the platoons, and the road guards will be watching for that.  But be aware- these things can happen without much warning.

Cars and trucks will need to cross through our formation to use ramps, so use judgement in letting them through.  Keeping our ranks tight will keep them from just floating along in the pack, but that is one of the main reason we are in platoons.  Our footprint can be several miles long and we are under the speed limit, so be aware of on-ramps and exits.

Our use of on-ramps can be especially dangerous, only because riders will see a gap and crank it on to “catch up” as they get up on the freeway.  Slowly, gently accelerate- the group will not leave you to go hide behind some trees around a curve ahead.  The Route Coordinator keeps the speed slow and steady, with 5mph speed increases as everybody gets onto the slab.  Once the RG’s have everyone up, the speed will increase to just under the posted limit.  But it takes a while.

The RG’s then need to move to the front of the pack for their next deployment.  They….go fast, watch out and don’t move out of your position.

My personal riding style is that I keep one eye on the bike I’m following, one eye on the bike four riders ahead, one eye on the rider next to me, and one eye on my mirror.  And a patch on the other eye…
Seriously, I work at riding as steadily as humanly possible, aware that this helps those following me keep steady.  Just a little bit of running up and back on the rider in front of me will expand rubber-banding problems all the way back to the last riders, increasing their risks greatly.  Move up sloooowly, back off sloooowly.  This keeps you from hitting brakes and transmitting panic.  Watch that guy 4 riders up to see what he’s doing.  By the time his actions and the other rider’s responses get to you, you will be ready.

Sugar.  Dangerous stuff!  The riding legs are about 2 hours each.  If you load up on sugar either at breakfast or the gas stops, you will get an insulin rush to bring your blood sugar down.  And you will get sleepy!  Drink plenty of water and eat more protein, which will metabolize slower keeping your blood sugar steadier.  Nuts, beef jerky- cheese- rather than candy and sweetrolls.   Personally I avoid coffee for the whole trip, it is de-hydrating and if you need to pee and it’s gonna be another hour in the saddle… you get my drift.  In short, the riding will be much safer and more enjoyable if you are alert and comfortable.

I have said before and will say again- it will make you proud to see how good this formation looks by the time we have a few days of adjusting behind us.  By the time we get to Arlington we will be a world class gallery of motorcycle art!  You will especially notice this when you experience Rolling Thunder.  Ugh- the worst examples ever of undiscipline!  Be really careful there!

Let’s get everyone home safe in 2012!

Also, I’m sure others have tips and pet peeves that we all should know about…


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Gator- got the email, we're good to go.  Send me a note with your email so we can put the ducks in the row... tomcameron@cox.net
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Thanks for the advice.  Some of us are looking for all the info we can get before we show up next month.  It is great to hear from those who have experienced the same things we are anticipating and share their experiences with us.
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Very good advice... coffee is my down fall... Another suggestion on the cramps one might be prone to from the ride is try to eat at least a banana a day they have lots of potasium( K+) ( spelling) which helps with sore muscles... Stretching is also a good option, you can do a quick strtch after you fuel up to assist throughout the day. 
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I am thankful to everyone who posts such great information. Think I will start to wean myself off of coffee. Uh oh - I can feel the withdrawal symptoms and headaches already! 
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WE HAVE HAD SOME WONDERFUL POSTS THIS YEAR . IM GLAD TO SEE EVERY ONE JUMPING IN AND POSTING. IT'S ABOUT US AND FOR US SO WE MAY DO THIS MISSION.  GOD BLESS US ALL.
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We are never too old to learn! Still drink coffee, have to have one vise...  I drink a lot of water while I ride. We freeze water bottles and they melt nicely while riding. But its so nice to have water at every stop waiting on you. THANKS!!Hug

I started thanking all those who helped on the Run the second day. Started with the RG's because they are everywhere and and do everything.  But the platoon leaders, the tail gunners, the morning crews, the fuel crew and all the other crews I forgot to mention are just GREAT!  And to thank everyone along the Ride that feeds us, asks us what we need, thanks us for doing this, gives us free food, just not enough time and room to do it, but THANKS!
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I always try to watch ahead while watching right in front of me and also making sure a RG is not flying by, so I stay out of his way. 
The first gas stop they kept pointing at my foot pegs and I was yelling I have them, so. Well not a bright answer, then one tells me how many times he has been hit with them while gassing up.. still took me a couple of stops before I remembered. They had not been up in about 2 years, so they did not want to move to easily.  But no matter how much one gets yelled at, its never in a mean way. Sometimes its just to get your attention. 
I am sure I will learn more this year and maybe one of these days I might be able to help out. 
There is always someone that will help with any questions you have, how much better could it get??? 
Thanks everyone!!Hug
 
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